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What made you to take your child out of school?
Posted: 10 March 2010 08:52 PM   [ Ignore ]  
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Hi

still debating weather to take the plunge to try to home ed our children or not. Currently DS is in the first year of school and things have been up and down all the way long. Anyway, why did you take your child/ren out of school? Did they not like it? Was bulling a reason? Did your child changed with being in school? I understand for some its very personal reasons so just share as much as you would like.

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Posted: 10 March 2010 09:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]  
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Hi

Molly was not bullied, but her behaviour definitely got worse. She was moodier, and more arguementitive, she was less polite, more short-tempered, especially with her sister… the list goes on. These things always improved when she had had about a week off (so during school hols).

The reasons I took M out after reception year were:

1) Dislike for the school morning routine (ie trying to get her up and dressed, breakfast eaten, washed, hair done, etc etc, for 8:45 - always resulted in lots of stress and lots of shouting. Not good)

2) Immense dislike on my part for the way they dealt with behaviour, they had a ‘thorough and graded’ system of ‘positive reinforcement’ or something along those lines. Basically, in reception they had a large chart on the wall with every child’s name, and the teacher or child drew a sad or smiley face on the chart depending upon whether their behaviour was bad, or especially good. They gave stickers for (what they considered to be) ‘good’ work or behaviour (like tidying up!) and if a child was naughty, they got a sad face, and were threatened with having to see the HT if they got 3 sad faces in a row. Once after M had a battle of wills with her teacher, M was made to stand in the corridoor.

3) I feel that 4 and 5 is too young to be expected to do such a long day, 5 days a week. I do believe/subscribe to John Holts theories and beliefs, I think certainly before 7 children learn best from the things around them, and experiencing life, and they learn all they need to at that age by doing that.
TBH I dont think children ever need to do the ‘formal’ schooling that they do now, not until they are at an age where they *choose* to apply themselves that way. There’s nothing wrong with expecting a child over 7 or 8 to sit down and do some written work (or numeracy etc), but that should be largely autonomous imo…. why should *all* children learn Greek mythology for example? If it interests them, great! But another child may prefer to learn as much as they can about [aspects of] science instead. Most of what children learn in primary school is general knowledge, not especially relevent to any profession, only really relevent as a means to test and monitor them; so my opinion is that learning should be autonomus and child-led (on subject/topic at least).

4) leading on from 3), I dislike the dis-jointed way that most schools teach… ie an hour of English, 35 minutes of maths… 30 minutes of history… and so on. I think it makes more sense to allow children to finish once they start (or allow them enough time to work on something until they have had enough, or reach a point they are happy to put it away for later). Molly also disliked the pittifully small amount of time she was allowed on the computer (about 10 minutes! Barely enough time to start the game/programme! This was because there were 29 or 30 other kids that were due a turn too), and had issues with being made to stop something she was n the middle of, just because it was time to do [x] activity instead.
I realise that sometimes things like lunch time etc get in the way (lol) and you cant spend forever on something, but I think it would be better if it was more autonomous and that children were only broken off from an activity or piece of work if it was absolutely neccessary (like lunch time or home time etc).

Last of all, one reason I took M out was because my relationship with her was getting more and more strained, and I knew that whilst HEing wouldnt be a definite or instant fix, things would never improve if she continued to go to school. The issue was that in the morning there was stress and tension trying to get ready and out in time, so we were fraught with each other then. Then when she came home at 3.15 she was in a foul mood, cue more yelling (from both of us, lol) and I would get really wound up with her. And there wasnt enough weekend to repair that damage and heal the rift.

We still have our moments but it is improving slowly. I also bought Connection Parenting and am reading that (slowly, when I remember!) and I’m hoping to enlist nursery or my mum to have K for a few hours a week so I can go do things with M on our own.

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Posted: 10 March 2010 09:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]  
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phoenix————
i am meeting ds teacher tomorrow to say he wont be back,
those words and reasons you have just said feels like exactly how i feel to the word !  thank you you have just helped me in any last minute doubts i was having xxxx

i love this forum i feel like i belong and i am not out there on my own x

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Posted: 10 March 2010 09:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]  
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Hi

Thanks, glad it helped smile

Good luck tomorrow! I’m sure it will go fine smile

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Posted: 10 March 2010 10:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]  
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Hi Vanessa,

During Benedict’s first year myself and two other mums flexi schooled our children as they were all just four years at the start of that term.  The Head was very encouraging and supportive.  Two years down the line and we are HE Benedict because he has fallen too far behind in his schoolwork as a result of the complexities associated with the diabetes.  We’ve been officially HE since the beginining of February and Benedict has not once missed school or his friends from school.  In fact he regularly says that he loves being Home Schooled!  Like most young kids he hates being chained to a desk and although we do some type of “formal” work for part of our day, most of our learning is led by him and his interests.  He’s very much a hands on kind of chap and really enjoys model making, gardening and cooking.
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Posted: 10 March 2010 11:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]  
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I knew school wasn’t right for ds2.  He wasn’t happy at all and wasn’t really learning anything.  His teachers always said that he just sat daydreaming all day and never finished his work.  He thought school was boring and as a result thought that learning must be boring.  He lost interest in alot of things he used to love such as reading and had a few problems with some of the other children.

I took him out almost 6 months ago and I can’t believe how much he has changed and how much he enjoys learning again.  We’re having such a good time and I now know that I made the definately made the right decision.  It’s scary but it really is worth it and it’s so rewarding. xx

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Posted: 10 March 2010 11:17 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]  
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We pulled DS out of secondary school because of horrific bullying.  We were constantly going in and nothing was being done about it.  There was no discipline at all.  When DD leaves primary school she will be home taught aswell x

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Posted: 11 March 2010 08:40 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]  
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Phoenix - 10 March 2010 09:35 PM

2) Immense dislike on my part for the way they dealt with behaviour, they had a ‘thorough and gra system of ‘positive reinforcement’ or something along those lines. Basically, in reception they had a large chart on the wall with every child’s name, and the teacher or child drew a sad or smiley face on the chart depending upon whether their behaviour was bad, or especially good. They gave stickers for (what they considered to be) ‘good’ work or behaviour (like tidying up!) and if a child was naughty, they got a sad face, and were threatened with having to see the HT if they got 3 sad faces in a row. Once after M had a battle of wills with her teacher, M was made to stand in the corridor.

Reading this made me feel very sad downer
This sort of thing alone would prompt me to take action, how demoralising for a young child.
I’m lucky my dd is down to start at a really lovely school in September, but any hint of things changing her personality and we’d de-reg. It’s always been an option but she really wants to go to school at the moment, and we’re taking her lead as it is such a nice environment. If only all schools for those that want to go down that route were all nice.

Glad Molly is is happier now, thanks for posting - interesting to read.
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Posted: 11 March 2010 08:58 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]  
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Phoenix’s points 3 and 4 are large parts of the reason why my 2 have never been to school in the first place.

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Posted: 11 March 2010 06:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]  
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Vanessa
Is ds happy at school?  Is his behaviour different when he is off for a few days (for example, less tired)?
Is he still refusing to go?
Also, need to think of your needs, do you feel better having a little time to yourself when ds and dd are out?
Would it be possible to flexi school ds? (either at that school or at another in your town)

If you decide to continue with him at school then (sorry,  love) you need to let him know that you are committed to it and keen on him going, otherwise he’s getting mixed messages from you about school.

Also, where does DH stand and will it change when he comes home?

I’ll phone you dear
Tanya

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